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Let me be the 1stPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Let me be the 1st

Acapellas4u is an acapella forum run by a community of audio engineers as well as self-taught musicians aimed at providing a helpful resource for any of your Acapella or vocal track needs. From DIY sound mixing to teaching others unique tricks you’ve learned over the years, Acapellas4u is the Internet’s best resource for learning about acapella, and diy engineering as well as presenting you, the visitor, with a better insight on Acapella music and it’s growth.

I'm off to post my stats now in the other forum..


I wanted to then add a huge THANK YOU for realising the gap in the market for a dedicated place for SEO for phpbb! I've added a link to your site on the left hand edge of our portal.

I look forward to meeting some like minded people who love the net and enhancing their forums to the full potential.

Regards.

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

Thanks Wink

I really think forum are strategic and useful and should thus be foud-able in search engines.

By the way nice site Wink I like it Very Happy

I am sure you have more than 3,890 spiderable page, some SEO would be wise here I think Rolling Eyes

Feel free to ask any question you like and to ask for help or advises around here.

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

dcz wrote:
Thanks Wink

I really think forum are strategic and useful and should thus be foud-able in search engines.

By the way nice site Wink I like it Very Happy

I am sure you have more than 3,890 spiderable page, some SEO would be wise here I think Rolling Eyes

Feel free to ask any question you like and to ask for help or advises around here.

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Hey, glad you like the site, love/h8 relationship I have with it sometimes but I'll tell you all about that sometime.

I have Sooo many questions that I'd like to discuss 1-1, Is MSN or AIM an option?

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

acapellas4u wrote:

I have Sooo many questions that I'd like to discuss 1-1, Is MSN or AIM an option?


To use a famous one, I'd prefer not to Wink

Just because we can do this publicly at least for the most part and thus be useful to other while solving our particular issues if any.

Then PM is a good tool for sensible matters (when security or if you're unsure what your are posting fits the general rating or if it should just not be posted publicly).

Don't worry I'll help out and SEO strategy is not something to decide the day you find a solution, you must think well before you start, you'll win time in the end.
And what is for sure is, you don't care about waiting a week more after your site was online for three years.

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

dcz wrote:
acapellas4u wrote:

I have Sooo many questions that I'd like to discuss 1-1, Is MSN or AIM an option?


To use a famous one, I'd prefer not to Wink

Just because we can do this publicly at least for the most part and thus be useful to other while solving our particular issues if any.

Then PM is a good tool for sensible matters (when security or if you're unsure what your are posting fits the general rating or if it should just not be posted publicly).

Don't worry I'll help out and SEO strategy is not something to decide the day you find a solution, you must think well before you start, you'll win time in the end.
And what is for sure is, you don't care about waiting a week more after your site was online for three years.

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absolutely fair enuff - respect that, but I have NO idea what (even if I have one) my strategy is..

small fish - huuuuuge pond.

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 9:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

Here start with this about the three differents mod rewrite solutions we provide here.

It's worth reading it, I don't think you need to understand all, but it's not too technical, it's just my first attempt here to try to explain why three solutions exists and really make sense.

The difference between those are just concerning the title injecting in urls, the simple does not inject titles, but a static term instead, it's simple and efficient, the one needing the less effort to install and to maintain, ok for all char-set.

The mixed one will inject cat and forums titles in their URLs, but will keep a static term for the topics, the advanced on will as well inject topic titles in their URLs.

The first matter here, is to try to evaluate the quality of your titles and the effort you'll be able to put in your site to maintain this quality. what we don't want here, is a majority of topic titles with keywords we don't care such as "ho, but I don't understand ya know???!!!!!" : a good example a what should lead to a mixed rewrite IMHO.

your web-site being well targeted, I think it's possible to think about the advanced one. It's not really harder to install, not that much more of server load (the phpBB SEO mod Rewrite are nothing but among, in not, the faster rewriting script when injecting titles, at least a lot faster than any other solution using ob_start) but there will be some few more steps upon install (three more FIND / REPLACE WITH or so Wink ).

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:36 am    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

dcz wrote:
Here start with this about the three differents mod rewrite solutions we provide here.

It's worth reading it, I don't think you need to understand all, but it's not too technical, it's just my first attempt here to try to explain why three solutions exists and really make sense.

The difference between those are just concerning the title injecting in urls, the simple does not inject titles, but a static term instead, it's simple and efficient, the one needing the less effort to install and to maintain, ok for all char-set.

The mixed one will inject cat and forums titles in their URLs, but will keep a static term for the topics, the advanced on will as well inject topic titles in their URLs.

The first matter here, is to try to evaluate the quality of your titles and the effort you'll be able to put in your site to maintain this quality. what we don't want here, is a majority of topic titles with keywords we don't care such as "ho, but I don't understand ya know???!!!!!" : a good example a what should lead to a mixed rewrite IMHO.

your web-site being well targeted, I think it's possible to think about the advanced one. It's not really harder to install, not that much more of server load (the phpBB SEO mod Rewrite are nothing but among, in not, the faster rewriting script when injecting titles, at least a lot faster than any other solution using ob_start) but there will be some few more steps upon install (three more FIND / REPLACE WITH or so Wink ).

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Hi dcz, thanks again for your reply.

I'm only just beginning to actually appreciate what this rewrite is all about, seen it mentioned a lot but I'm very worried about implementing that to the server for a couple of reasons:


  • existing user created post subjects might create a mixed rewrite IMHO aswell. We have too many random topics and lots of new member intros like "Hey wassup" etc etc.
  • way over my head techy wise.
  • I have concerns about the integrity of existing content, links to topics, etc etc.. how does THAT work if all links are re-written?


I think that if there are other certain easier to implement SEO fixes for php that might aid the SEO I'd be keener to look at those first. Or is it that I need to do this apache rewrite ?

Perhaps I should just look at what META TAGS I have (if any).

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:23 am    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

Mod rewrite is definitely on of the major SEO enhancement to do when dealing with php/asp/cgi scripts.

It is true you can be well indexed, actually even without getting rid of SID, as the mx-system.com web site shows us, but this is only thanks to mx Google sitemaps. Before they installed it, there was something like 3 or 4 cached pages.

There are limitation to this though, as the mxBB web site already had it's PageRank of 7, so Google jumped on the first occasion to find URL without SIDs like if it was starving. PR 7 is some pressure Wink

The problem if you do not get rid of SIDs is that the bots will always see SID the first tie they load a page, meaning they'll see a lot of useless links.

So the minimum is to get rid of SIDs, to at least always provide good internal linking. But Mod rewritten URLs will better transmit PageRank, this is for sure now and the way they are built will even output less duplicates than a regular install (none for pagination).

Then, there is something you musty understand about mod Rewrite. PHP does not even know URLs are modified when a script is called, it's totally independent. All happens here is that the Apache mod_rewrite module will allow the use of URL being different than the on expected by the php scripts.
What happens is :
topicxx.hml => mod_rewrite => viewtopic.php?t=xx

The content en the way it is built is just left unchanged by this porcess.

Then, the only php code changes we perform are here to change the way phpBB outputs links, because now that our new URLs are usable, we shall use and output them among the forum.
Again, here the procedure is very unlikely to cause any trouble, we just mod outputted link period, nothing more.
PHP side, it goes like this :

viewtopic.php?t=xx => append_sid => topicxx.html

The only active code is in sessions.php, in the append_sid code. If you do not apply this changes, links are not outputted rewritten, all the rest of the code changes are "passive", they just do not change anything to the phpBB processes.

Please test locally, you'll see that your only matter will be to set the correct path in the .htaccess Wink

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

Thx for prompt feedback dcz, much appreciated.

The only mention of the term append_sid within my sessions.php is as below:

Code:
function append_sid($url, $non_html_amp = false)

{

    global $SID;



if ( !empty($SID) && !preg_match('#sid=#', $url) )

   {

      $url .= ( ( strpos($url, '?') !== false ) ?  ( ( $non_html_amp ) ? '&' : '&' ) : '?' ) . $SID;

   }



   return $url;

}



?>


So I'm not really 100% sure if that's setup correctly to disable Guest SID's or not.. (Like I said previously, I did apply the Guest Sessions Mod back on the 36th May '06)

I also understand now completely about the fact that any OLD links will remain as is - thanks for explaining this to me in more detail.

How can I test locally and can I PM you my robots.txt?

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

I just wanted to say cool site acapellas4u! How long has it been open?

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

MaestroX wrote:
I just wanted to say cool site acapellas4u! How long has it been open?


Cheers bro.

We've been open for nearly for 3 years under that name.

glad you like it!

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:52 am    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

Nice site you have there. and wow, big community! goodluck with everything. Smile

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Let me be the 1stPosted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 8:44 am    Post subject: Re: Let me be the 1st

Peter77 wrote:
Nice site you have there. and wow, big community! goodluck with everything. Smile



Cheers Peter Smile

It's nearly 3 years old (I can't quite believe how time's flown by) and I think we started off on a very early phpBB 2.0.x maybe even older.

This is a fantastic forum for all of us phpBB owners/administrator's - thanks to dcz and all his hard work and all the others involved in it aswell.

I'm looking forward to how Google eases through the spidering of the forum now that I've installed the Simple Mod ReWrite.

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