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globetrotting
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 Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:23 am Post subject: Going SEO with phpBB3 new install |
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Salut,
first of all big thanks for your MOD (google should honour you), for all the support you give and the positive vibes the admins radiate here.
I want to migrate my phpBB2 (no URL-rewrite) -> phpBB3 and the release of 3.0.1 seems to be a good opportunity to do so.
Although the old board has always been very well spidered, the fast adaptation of your premod only a few days after the 3.0.1.-release helped me to decide for phpBBSEO.
I think I might attempt to use the advanced mode with title injection, as I virtually live in our forum and basically read all of it's 50k entries.
More so, I have edited topic titles for years in order for them to make more sense.
Would title injection be your advice as well?
So far I converted the data base to a new db and made a new install of your premod 3.0.1 in an unused subdomain (and excluded all folders to bots by a robot.txt) for testing purposes.
My old board was mediumly modded and I will have to mod phpBB3 as well to match the old forum's abilities.
That brings me to the questions, how well phpBBSEO integrates german language and modding - if there are any mods known to be likely to cause problems, i.e. out of phpBB2-experience.
Most important mods for my needs would be anti-spam-bots, related topics, a shout-box, the most flexible inline ad-manager available, and hopefully a revenue-share-mod once it exists...
BTW: I couldn't find "related topics" for phpBB3, but saw it working on HB's forum, so maybe http://www.phpbb-seo.com/boards/advanced-mod-rewrite/discussions-vt729.html is still valid?
On top of that my old board showed the last's topic title in the very right column in every view, which is especially useful on index.
If possible, I'd like to restore that as well.
Not understanding a lot concerning modRewrite - how should my workflow continue after installation - install the mods first before doing any SEO-related settings, I would think?
Thank you for advice |
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dcz
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| Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Going SEO with phpBB3 new install |
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| globetrotting wrote: | Salut,
first of all big thanks for your MOD (google should honour you), for all the support you give and the positive vibes the admins radiate here.
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Thanks, and you're welcome 
From the very beginning of phpBB SEO, I believe that we all have interest in common to share the best SEO solutions for our site, because otherwise, only money could make the difference, and I like the web to be a place where everybody has a chance to start a successful site and focus on what matters the most : content.
| globetrotting wrote: | | I want to migrate my phpBB2 (no URL-rewrite) -> phpBB3 and the release of 3.0.1 seems to be a good opportunity to do so. |
It is actually 
| globetrotting wrote: | I think I might attempt to use the advanced mode with title injection, as I virtually live in our forum and basically read all of it's 50k entries.
More so, I have edited topic titles for years in order for them to make more sense.
Would title injection be your advice as well? |
With a good topic title average quality, it's the most powerful mod. If phpBB is installed in the domain's root, activating the virtual folder trick can help out to categorize content and to associate all topics within a forum with selected keywords. If installed in a sub folder, you can still use it, but it's better to use it together with the virtual root option to keep shorter urls (it' the main thing to look at when injecting topic titles, after topic title quality off course).
Now, after the pros, the cons would be to compare how phpBB is optimized in comparison with the other pages in the whole site, if any of course. Under some circumstances, you may want the CMS nice articles to show up before the forum threads in serps (since the risk is great that the forum would be more optimized in the end with our mods )
The best alternative is the mixed one with virtual folders, since you'll still be able to use selected keywords in topic urls (forum-keywords/topicxx.html).
| globetrotting wrote: | | So far I converted the data base to a new db and made a new install of your premod 3.0.1 in an unused subdomain (and excluded all folders to bots by a robot.txt) for testing purposes. |
It's the way to go, you can test conversion et all before going online this way.
| globetrotting wrote: | | That brings me to the questions, how well phpBBSEO integrates german language and modding - if there are any mods known to be likely to cause problems, i.e. out of phpBB2-experience. |
Well no, you may need to implement a custom filter in the phpbb_seo_class.php format_url() method to take care of special chars such as ß, it's easy to do, only something to test before going online.
Post a thread with the worst special cases and you'll see what eventually requires special attention, and then post here, I'll provide the small tweak
| globetrotting wrote: | | Most important mods for my needs would be anti-spam-bots, related topics, a shout-box, the most flexible inline ad-manager available, and hopefully a revenue-share-mod once it exists... |
Anti bot question was upgraded for phpBB3 if a recall well, but I'm not sure it's this useful anymore with phpBB3, since the new captcha has become a lot more efficient (here a better captcha is all we use to fight against automated spam with very good results), and all forms are now tokenized, so ...
For the related topics, I'm not sure, but what is for sure is, the mod will exist and will be patched
About adds, I don't know of a sharing mod already, but look in phpBB.com for topy's adsense mod, it's simple and efficient (and not hard to find with the author name ).
| globetrotting wrote: | On top of that my old board showed the last's topic title in the very right column in every view, which is especially useful on index.
If possible, I'd like to restore that as well. |
This is included in the premod, activate the no dupe in acp and voilà : http://phpbb3.phpbb-seo.net
| globetrotting wrote: | | Not understanding a lot concerning modRewrite - how should my workflow continue after installation - install the mods first before doing any SEO-related settings, I would think? |
Well, the simplest way for sure is to directly convert using the premod, all you'll need to do is to activate the zero duplicate (taking care about the post redirection option as well) and wait about two month before you implement the advised robots.txt for all the urls to be properly HTTP 301 redirected.
This usually occurs without loosing serps or referral, the important thing being to start the redirecting (eg to switch from phpBB2 to phpBB3) as suddenly as possible and to keep the url standard defined (hesitation is not very good here). But beside, there is no problem really, pretty big boards (over 50 000 topics) already did it successfully.
That's as well what we'll do here when upgrading (and already did in the past for other reasons).
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globetrotting
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| Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Going SEO with phpBB3 new install |
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Thank you dcz, I really appreciate your detailed answers to all of my questions. 
For the time being I have three more:
- Is the advised SID-removal (Cyber Alien) tweak still necessary in phpBB3, is it integrated in the premod? I couldn't find any adaptation of it for phpBB3.
- HB wrote in another thread that there will be GYM- and RSS-fixes integrated in future premods. Would it be worthwhile waiting - is there a rough estimation concerning the time frame?
- I noticed that the topic title of my answer here is empty. I had my old board modified to display the title of the starting topic (without the "Re:") in all answers by default, as it helps users to stick to the topic. I can't imagine this would harm SEO-wise, as the text of all messages under the same topic title (URL-name) will differ. Am I wrong? |
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dcz
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| Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Going SEO with phpBB3 new install |
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| globetrotting wrote: | | Thank you dcz, I really appreciate your detailed answers to all of my questions. |
You're welcome
| Quote: | | - Is the advised SID-removal (Cyber Alien) tweak still necessary in phpBB3, is it integrated in the premod? I couldn't find any adaptation of it for phpBB3. |
phpBB3 does get rid of SIDs for bots in its list (with pretty much all bots by default), but you can go further if you activate SID removing for guest in the phpBB SEO ACP. The zero duplicate will always redirect outdated or useless (eg when a cookie is available) SIDs
So you'll see some while browsing, but you'll never see any in SERPs
| Quote: | | - HB wrote in another thread that there will be GYM- and RSS-fixes integrated in future premods. Would it be worthwhile waiting - is there a rough estimation concerning the time frame? |
It could already have been released, but, IRL and phpBB3 dev made it longer than first expected, but it will be worth it. Chances are great though that this will be done before summer, but there is no guarantee.
Have you already been teased ?
http://phpbb3.phpbb-seo.net/sitemap.php
http://phpbb3.phpbb-seo.net/rss.php
http://phpbb3.phpbb-seo.net/rss.php?m
You can though go for phpBB3 before this, sitemaps will help for sure, but, with all the tricks already in place, you'll still get full crawl
| Quote: | | - I noticed that the topic title of my answer here is empty. I had my old board modified to display the title of the starting topic (without the "Re:") in all answers by default, as it helps users to stick to the topic. I can't imagine this would harm SEO-wise, as the text of all messages under the same topic title (URL-name) will differ. Am I wrong? |
Well, it is when you post, but indeed it isn't :
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Here it's a mod, phpBB3 does the same by default.
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