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loveseo
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 Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:27 am Post subject: pagerank 10 !! |
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Is this kind of websites Google fight him because they sell links?
is it safe to put our url in it ? i mean free service in this site not paid
http://www.pagerank10.co.uk/
and please take a look on the footer !! mor than 100 link ! |
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HB
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| Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: pagerank 10 !! |
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To each his own, but I've never bothered with "link farms". This particular site has been around for a little over a year and its home page is PR6, but quickly falls off:
http://google.audiencestv.com/?q=site%3Awww.pagerank10.co.uk
There are no PR5 pages. Maybe Google will look more kindly on this site in later index reshuffles, but currently it's a sea of PR0 pages with a tiny island of PR3's and PR4's. Some other stats:
http://whois.domaintools.com/pagerank10.co.uk
SEO score of 72%, 600+ links on the home page, 85 of which are outgoing... oops.  |
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pagerank10
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: Re: pagerank 10 !! |
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Hi
The reason there are a lot of PR0 pages is because those pages have been added after the last pagerank update.
Every page (including all pr0 pages) on our site ranks very highly in the serps for even very competitive keywords.
Regarding the google backlinks, not sure what this has to do with anything as they only show a small percentage of the actual backlinks, but they base their rankings on the real amount of backlinks.
Affiliates earn lots of money using these PR0 pages and if you take the time to look at our site properly you will see how and why its so popular, and that no matter what these so called 'seo experts' say it is a very high ranked site even though it doesn't follow the text book seo tactics.
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SeO
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: Re: pagerank 10 !! |
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Hope you do not include us in the "so called 'seo experts'" group 
I don't think that no one said here that your site was not good at all. Actually, it's a pretty good example of a successful viral marketing strategy.
I have no doubt that your site will soon see PR better transmitted among pages, and I think it's a good strategy to turn it kind of like a web directory as you seems to be doing. And here I bet on success , because you as well need pages to build PR and interest.
Of course, getting a backlink (better where the PageRank is higher) from your home page would not mean nothing for the site linked, but, if we compare with getting a backlink from a PR6 page with less than hundred links, I'm sure it would even be better.
The good thing about your site is that it's actually possible for many to get linked, which is obviously not the case with all PR6 pages on the web.
No purely SEO wise, I kind of doubt too that you'll get PR 10 within the next 180 days as you claim.
This does not make your site bad, PR6 is really good actually and your domain has chances to go a little above, but I would not bet on PR10 any time soon.
Unless of course, if you turn black hat
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Regarding the Google backlinks, not sure what this has to do with anything as they only show a small percentage of the actual backlinks, but they base their rankings on the real amount of backlinks.
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Well, I'd not say this exactly. Of course the link: command does not return all the backlinks Google knows of, and yes, pretty much every backlinks will play a role in SERPS, but, the amount returned is still related to how Google actually is considering your backlinks and thus to how it will build you PageRank. So yes it matters.
Then, there is still the potential problem with Google, and his fight against paid links.
But here, I tend to be on your side, because I really think this is the kind of measure that in the end will not affect the biggest with the most means. They will always be able to buy link in a way or another without Google to knwo or to be able to react (like why not buying an entire site to put links, or sponsoring a well ranked GPL project, the list of possibilities seems endless with enough founds ...).
Besides, we can really wonder about how Google will moderate the paid links. A site like yours would be easy to put in the bad list, but would this make search results better, or imply a significant change in the "paid link practice" ?
I really doubt it. And I don't really appreciate a system almost fully based on reports, since Google should have some problem to filter through an algorythm ( unless they access bank accounts too  ).
The good part about this new threat is that we can forecast it won't be easy at all to really clean the web (even only the Google index) from paid links. And actually I'm still wondering if this will ever be a massive and exaustive moderation.
Let's hope they won't punish to many easy examples to make their warn credible. |
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pagerank10
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: pagerank 10 !! |
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| SeO wrote: | | Hope you do not include us in the "so called 'seo experts'" group |
No ofcourse not
It wouldn't be a good business move to say I don't think the site will reach pr10 either, so ill have to disagree
People are not daft, everyone knows the site is using the pagerank gimmick to attract links, this gimmick is working, and everyone who has sometihng to do with the site are benifiting from it and have fun trying to get to the top of the participants list... which also is completely free so its not harming anyone.
People pay a £1 in the hope of winning the lottery, they know they have no chance of winning really but they like the feeling of trying, like I said our site is free and they do have a *hope* of gettting a PR10 site for nothing.
These top referers are getting quite a bit of traffic for nothing, the traffic is probably not relevant to their sites and will probably not make any sales through it, but its free and it more web presence for them.
The paid sections of the site are very effective and people are fighting to get the best foldernames, these pages have only been available to buy for a couple of months and are doing extremely well already, the success of these are due to the original gimmick which made the site rank well in the first place.
Regarding paid links, we must have been reported dozens of times, ive read on plenty of forums where people say they have reported us, this has been going on from day 1 as so far nothing at all has come of it.
Google should concentrate on their algo to sort out their own serp problems and not rely on sad geeks to do the link reporting for them, to me this sounds like very desperate measures on googles part. If their algo didn't rely so much on the simple task of counting links then google would have nothing to worry about.
There is nothing wrong with paid links, the only people it effects is google because it makes their voting / ranking system inaccurate, thats their problem and no one elses, in life you have to pay to advertise, imagine if a company (not on the internet) asked you to report paid adverts, commercials in the real word because it messed up the running of their business, its just beyond belief that google are asking, never mind those who do the reporting.
Im going to report google for paying to advertise on my site... 
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SeO
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| Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: pagerank 10 !! |
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| pagerank10 wrote: |
Im going to report google for paying to advertise on my site...
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That's exactly what I cannot go along with talking about paid links, since adwords are paid links, even though they are build using JS and thus do not count in the backlinking calculus.
Because, not all adds are made out JS, so how will they treat affiliate linking and straight html images or text add links ?
Now, the fact your site already went reported, and it could be for paid links or even, because the definition is pretty vague (pretty much every directory can fit in the definition), for link farming, gives me some hopes.
It looks like Google still consider pleasure and user satisfaction as an important thing on the net, I mean, you site clearly is not a spam site, just because many real people seems to have pleasure interacting with it.
I'm sure many spent good time playing with your site, up to actually forgetting about SEO so ... At least, it's much fun than most web directories IMHO.
And I agree with you about the fact that Google should concentrate on relevancy, because, a page without any related and interesting content should never show up on top of SERP, no matter the amount of link.
And if Google tends to choose pages with the most link among the ones being similar in quality of content on a given search query does not really seems wrong to me.
It's a big time effort to obtain many links, and usually is a good sign of motivation and thus hope of quality in content.
Of course I do not include spammers here, because I think that genuine spammers are pretty easy to discover and moderate, at least most of the time.
Anyway, let's hope phpBB SEO reaches PR10 real soon too |
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eli03
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| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: pagerank 10 !! |
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| it's a presell page, this better than a direct link though since google is penalizing selling of links I'm sure the advertiser will not get the link juice from pagerank10 site going to their site. |
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