Hi i want to share my story.

It took to me 6 years to be indexed in dmoz. I submit my site several times and always respecting the guidelines. I await always at least 6 months to resubmit.

Some months ago i notice that my category have an editor. So i submit again. A lot of time later my site was never listed. So i write a report to a meta editor and said that the editor of this category apparently was the webmaster of a website competition of mine. So obviouly he is not interested in giving to me the benefits of being listed at dmoz.

Apparently I was right, 1 month later i report this, the editor was removed and my site listed.

Finally i get my site on dmoz.

6 years, jeez, only the fact that your site stayed online this long could means it was worth being listed.

Anyway, good news

It's really quit a long way to be listed in DMOZ.Congratulations!

Same problem here, but it's kind of worse.
Been busy for 4 years now, i allready know there no editor for my category.
I mailed several times with an editor of a category related to mine, and from that editor i found out the meta editor is competition.

What's the next step ??????

I say delete the entire DMOZ

rick74 wrote:I say delete the entire DMOZ

And then start it all over again, DMOZ 2, the return

The problem here is size, DMOZ is huge, and if they do not make it to accept new valuable submissions within a decent amount of time, the risk increases that they'll one day become an archaeological directory


Off course it's still worth it to get listed in DMOZ, no doubt about that, but, it's a long run investment.

Getting listed in DMOZ takes a lot of patience... A LOT of patience...

It's interesting that you got in after complaining the editor was competition but I imagine many editors of a certain section is likely competition...

Instead of dmoz, it'd be nice if instead, alexa just categorized, ranked, and displayed their top 1 million websites or something... even top 500k would be acceptable...

Though, I know they charge for their "top" lists... I'm almost wondering if another company might want to challenge alexa and dmoz at the same time and use their information to create the ultimate directory/site ranking tool

binary_basketball wrote:Though, I know they charge for their "top" lists... I'm almost wondering if another company might want to challenge alexa and dmoz at the same time and use their information to create the ultimate directory/site ranking tool

Alexa is not really reliable to compare sites, but it stil provides with infos about how is a site going.

The best would be to aggregate more than only alexa datas in a dmoz data base, would be real cool to have a full SEO report and some internal ranking based on all SEO factors.

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dcz wrote:Alexa is not really reliable to compare sites, but it stil provides with infos about how is a site going.

The best would be to aggregate more than only alexa datas in a dmoz data base, would be real cool to have a full SEO report and some internal ranking based on all SEO factors.

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True, I understand Alexa isn't very reliable to compare sites due to it's inherent flaw in that it only collects data from it's toolbar users and (other data) but that's why i'd like to see a new company challenge both because lets face it, dmoz has some pretty major flaws as well.

If a directory was made that combined the technologies of the two, it would probably be more accurate as well... Say, a toolbar user is browsing the directory and finds a webpage in a subject they are looking for, not only will the company be able to detect the link was visited by clicking the directory link, but they'd be capable of detecting how many pages were browsed on that website by that user.

If the site wasn't that great, they wouldn't browse very many pages. If the site was good, they'd be able to take how many pages were browsed into consideration of the quality as well as popularity. The best part would be that they could create code that would alter the directory automatically with some clever programming.

If made properly, they'd be able to detect the number of page views from it's obviously frequent users and the new visitors. The greater number of new visitors that frequent multiple pages on the site, and/or visit the site again, the better the site obviously is.

It would sort of be like digg but instead of relying on the user to vote, the votes are automatically generated just by going to the site.

The best part of combining the two would mean that websites in each category can be ranked according to the topic/subject by users obviously interested in the subject/topic. So data from people who go to websites from directory links would be weighted more for directory position because they are a better judge of the particular website when it comes to it's quality. This would make the directory better.

It would also fix the flaws with Alexa's rankings. First off, dmoz is obviously slightly crucial to a website's popularity if and a particular website generally gets more visitors just by being in the directory, it would allow for a better filtration system of the sites that "should" be getting traffic and would take away from sites that "shouldn't" be getting the traffic. If Alexa had a direct influence on the directory, and the directory helped Alexa provide better results, it seems to me many of the problems with both Alexa and dmoz would be fixed. Of course, the directory wouldn't necessarily be "open" as dmoz has made it's fame for.

I have applied to DMOZ a couple of times.

It is very annoying when your competitors are in there, but you cannot get in

What you describe binary_basketball is pretty much what Google is doing, but it does not show us the categories in which sites are in, in google's case, categories are more or less replaced by search queries, no need to say that it works pretty well, even though it's not providing with all the info it knows about each site

So, are you suggesting (or guessing) that Google uses data from Alexa in order to help decide where to place individual pages in SERPs?

Or are you suggesting they take traffic data from their toolbar and use it the same way Alexa does to gather information about where to place a domain's pages in their SERPs?

binary_basketball wrote:Or are you suggesting they take traffic data from their toolbar and use it the same way Alexa does to gather information about where to place a domain's pages in their SERPs?

This, and more. Google is just performing stats about everything it can, including, clicks in SERP, Google bar data and most likely adsense and google analytic data too.
For the last two, in theory they should not, but since we all know that a page can be indexed after it loaded an adsense (no link) and same with analytic and google bar actually, we have to believe that google is just no throwing away any data.
The fact that you can since few month, compare your site with other in google analytic goes down to the same point, endless resources for as much stats as possible

What would be the use of these hundred of thousands servers in google DCs throughout the world if not

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dcz wrote:

binary_basketball wrote:Or are you suggesting they take traffic data from their toolbar and use it the same way Alexa does to gather information about where to place a domain's pages in their SERPs?

This, and more. Google is just performing stats about everything it can, including, clicks in SERP, Google bar data and most likely adsense and google analytic data too.
For the last two, in theory they should not, but since we all know that a page can be indexed after it loaded an adsense (no link) and same with analytic and google bar actually, we have to believe that google is just no throwing away any data.
The fact that you can since few month, compare your site with other in google analytic goes down to the same point, endless resources for as much stats as possible

What would be the use of these hundred of thousands servers in google DCs throughout the world if not

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I was under the impression that google didn't track site usage data from it's toolbar, other than searches from the result of using the toolbar, which is basically just a google search. Though, I did know that the alexa toolbar does in fact track traffic...

The right question is why wouldn't they ?

They have like at least 1000 time more resources than alexa, believe me

I completely understand that

I just thought it was something they didn't practice because of privacy... though, i'm sure a quick check of their TOS would answer that question.