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Postby dcz » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:21 am

Well, let's state things a bit more clearly.

If you shorten titles, you won't have a dupe, you will be redirected, the only case that causes trouble is when you add some text at the very beginning of it, keeping the end untouched. If you change a letter or only change it from lower to upper case, it will redirect.

So your example does not apply.

And besides, as said, the next version won't have this so called issue (really what where we doing before the zero dupe ?).

All these are redirected :
-http://www.buggynews.com/Buggynews-buggy-bash-2007-information-and-announcements-vf46.html
-http://www.buggynews.com/buggynews-buggy-bash-2007-vf46.html
-http://www.buggynews.com/information-and-announcements-vf46.html

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Postby hopster » Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:10 pm

dcz wrote:Well, let's state things a bit more clearly.

If you shorten titles, you won't have a dupe, you will be redirected, the only case that causes trouble is when you add some text at the very beginning of it, keeping the end untouched. If you change a letter or only change it from lower to upper case, it will redirect.

So your example does not apply.

And besides, as said, the next version won't have this so called issue (really what where we doing before the zero dupe ?).

All these are redirected :
-http://www.buggynews.com/Buggynews-buggy-bash-2007-information-and-announcements-vf46.html
-http://www.buggynews.com/buggynews-buggy-bash-2007-vf46.html
-http://www.buggynews.com/information-and-announcements-vf46.html

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It's what I did, and I did have a dupe as shown above. I removed the first word in the URL "buggynews" and the link with "buggynews" still worked, as well as the new shorter version, hence a dupe. Don't forget, when you shorten some words on the front of the tittle, anything you add to the front of the tittle is then a dupe page, including the older longer tittle with what is seen now, as having an "extra" word on the front of the URL. The new shorter tittle becomes the new "rule" that gets applied and anything with extra words in front of it skips redirection.

It will 301 the links now because I put the word BUGGYNEWS back into the forum tittle to avoid these links in this thread being spidered as dupe content.

The point is, I put the situation back to the way it was originally, so it will redirect at this point.


My original URL was this:

http://www.buggynews.com/Buggynews-bugg ... -vf46.html

I wanted to make it this:

http://www.buggynews.com/buggy-bash-200 ... -vf46.html

But you can't because then the older longer name (extra word in the front) still works and is seen as dupe without the 301 redirect.

So now I went back to

http://www.buggynews.com/Buggynews-bugg ... -vf46.html

and I am okay again.

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Postby hopster » Tue Jun 05, 2007 2:17 pm

If you want, I will take Buggynews out of the tittle again, and you will see that both links will work without redirection... But I would rather not, as this forum is well spidered and I will temporarily open myself up to dupe content issues with gods over at google. The old tittle becomes what you were talking about, a URL with an extra word in front of it.


And that's the picture I was trying to paint in earlier posts. When you remove the first section of the url tittle, you open yourself up to dupes with no 301 redirect... so folks need to be careful.


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Postby dcz » Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:44 pm

All right, why not using -http://www.buggynews.com/buggy-bash-2007-information-announcements-vf46.html
then, would solve all your issues, and you could use & instead of and in the forum title to keep readability for users, since the & won't be injected.

And please consider this as a temporary issue, does not occur on the last version, currently only available for phpBB3, but soon available for v2.

Take a look at this : http://phpbb3.phpbb-seo.net/

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Postby hopster » Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:45 pm

That's a good idea.

I just want folks to be careful in renaming their forums, as it would be easy to do this without realizing it. I'm not trying to take anything away from an awesome mod out there... Just need a little education for everyone on this one little bug that I stumbled upon on accident and I wanted to make sure that it was fully understood.

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