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Postby Darth Pincho » Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:45 pm

Well guys, as you can note in this post my english is not the best, but i do what i can.

Im very confused with all the google sitemps thing. First of all i dont know i have modrewrite on or of, i dont even know wich modrewite is!! jejeje

What i know if that over here is a great job optimizing Google indexation for phpbb. and i add this page to my favorites some minutes ago.

Can anybody tellme wich are the initial steps to sky rocket my traffic. I only have 500 visitors per day.

There is anywhere some type of indroduction manual for this SEO world? I note there is tho mods under develpment. ms sitempas and google sitemaps!! why 2 mods? wich is the difference betwen them?

My forum have 8700 users. is not a big forum YET... jejeje

Please provide me some guidance in order to know wich things i have to do first and what later. I will do it step by step in order to learn as much as i can.
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Postby dcz » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:16 pm

And Welcome :D

So first, mod_rewrite is an Apache module allowing us to play with our URLs. So all of this only apply if your run Apache as a server. A mod rewrite solution for IIS servers is about to be released here, but not yet ;)

To find out if you can use it you can either contact your ISP or perform small tests.

To do this you could create an html page called found.html with whatever you want in it, but some text to be sure it's loaded (not a blank page basically) and put this in an file called ".htaccess" :

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RewriteEngine on
RewriteBase /
RewriteRule ^find\.html$ /found.html [L]


Then upload both your .htaccess and the found.html files in your domain's root (read this about how to transfer .htaccess files if you encounter problems).

And just try to load www.example.com/find.html (with your real domain of course). If mod_rewrite is available, you should see the content of found.html while browsing find.html (which does not physically exist by the way).

Then, if mod rewrite is available, I think you should start reading this about the phpBB SEO mod rewrites, it's no time loss as it's better to think about it a bit before going online.
As well some local testing can prevent many small but with great effect mistakes upon install, especially with the .htaccess which can block all of your site if not set properly (you'll always be able to just delete it though ftp though and go back to normal, it's just something that can be stressful if you never tried before).

Once you'll have chosen which mod you'd like to install, we'll be there to assist you for it's installation and such ;) You can proceed without risks as you do not risk to lose anything, your forum being almost ignored by Google so far : http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aw ... %2Fforo%2F

Once the mod rewrite will be installed, it will as well be time to install mx Google sitemaps and mx Sitemaps which will help you out a lot to SEO your forum :D

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Postby Darth Pincho » Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:54 pm

Ok. I talnk with my host company and says that mod rewrite is full enabled at my forum.

I already install mx google sitemap mod, submit the sitemap to google, but my pages are not indexed. I submit the sitemap about a week ago.

Any idea why?
I have to remove session id?
I have to make my forum pages static? i mean html? with any other mod?

Can i disallow profile.php pages from being indexed at robots txt? or robots.tx only dissallow complete directories?
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Postby Darth Pincho » Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:17 pm

Ok i read further and discover i have to get out of session ids and i do it with cyberalien mod. That sted is ready!!

Now. I really have to change the output of my pages to .html instead.php or google is capable of .php indexing?

I have installed mx google sitemaps running fine. Check it here:
http://www.tupincho.net/foro/sitemap.php

Also that sitemap was submited to google about a week ago.

Wich advantage i can get installing the other sitemap plugin (the one that look like the forum)?????
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Postby Darth Pincho » Sun Oct 01, 2006 2:38 pm

Ok i do a little more research and find that cyberAlien have his forum succesfully indexed by google without the mod rewrite plugin.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl ... es.com&lr=

All their URL have the .php extension, and have 160.000 ones jejejeje good job.

Then why to change to static .html pages if google can index dynamic .php pages?
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Postby dcz » Mon Oct 02, 2006 11:16 am

Actually, phpbbstyle.com is using mod rewritten URLs, but only for guests (or is it bot only?).

Anyway, yes, phpBB.com does not even get rid of sid and is decently indexed, but as you can see, the vast majority of links are pushed in the omitted results, which does not mean they would not show up in search results, but ... how many duplicates per page do you think these two website have ?

Anyway, phpbb.com is well indexed in Google despite no SEO was implemented because of it's PageRank 9.

You'd better have a PageRank above 5 to obtain this kind of results, and for sure, mod rewritten URL would do a better job as far as page caching and PageRank transmission.


Then, you are going to fast while implementing SEO on your forum, it's not good to test and go back and etc on a live site, especially if you change all of your URLs.

So far you managed to SEO the natural links, mx Google sitemaps being well used for this purpose, but you should drop it from your Google account if you plan to go for mod rewritten URLs and only submit is once it's installed properly, outputting the correct URLs.
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Postby Darth Pincho » Mon Oct 02, 2006 1:36 pm

Ok actually im waiting for google to index some of my forum pages. But nothing happens. My site have rank 3 and my forum rank 2. Pretty BAD. But no matter how hard y try to do something i cannot increase my page rank. I supose because google do not see the real content in my forums.

How can i know that google is spidering my site and i will be indexed soon? there is any way??

With the mod rewrite plugin you say me, i can only activate .html extension pages for guests? or the forum will look like .html forever to everybody?

also i have my forum integrated with my site via subdreamer CMS. Subdreamer have some plugins directly linking to the forum. With mod rewrite it will still working? i mean what happe if i want to see viewtopic.php?t=14 and i have mod rewrite installed? automatically redirect to the right .html version of that topic? or i will get a 404 error?
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Postby 993ti » Mon Oct 02, 2006 4:59 pm

Google can index php pages but the session id's are a bottleneck.
Removing the sid's with cyberaliens mod is recommened.
To see how your forum is doing in google, check:
site:www.tupincho.net/foro

It can take a while before you get fully indexed.
Get quality backlinks from related sites.
Did you submit your site to DMOZ?
Here is a list of directories you can submit to: Directory list

Also, Google is not the only source of traffic.
Get a RSS feed mod and submit the feed to Yahoo as well.
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Postby dcz » Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:16 pm

For sure 39 pages listed in Google is not a lot.

I don't think this part of your robots.txt could cause problems :

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User-agent: Mediapartners-Google*
Disallow:


But while running AdSense, you should allow the Media-partners Google-Bot to crawl your site.

Besides, you should add a slash ("/") to your disallow :

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User-agent: Mediapartners-Google*
Disallow: /


Then, zero Google Backlinks for the forum and 5 for the main domain is very very little amount.
Our Link popularity checker tells us msn is now considering 184 Backlinks and that Google will probably (as it seems the amount now being outputted is the amount that will be taken into account at the end of what seem to be a Google Dance Going on) take 11 backlinks into account soon for the main domain, which is showing you did not work hard on backlinks.

So this is for sure not helping at all to get Ranked.

Another thing to consider, is page loading time, from where I stand, and I use a 24 mb/s connexion from France, your web-site is very slow.
And bots do not have an infinite amount of time to crawl each site, you'd probably be better crawled with a faster server.

Then, do not expect to see results in two weeks, SEO is all about making things happen faster, but it still taking some time. The Google sitemaps systems results should be expected after a month or so when first submitted.

Then, for subdreamer, it depends, as it's not a free software, I never installed it, adapting it would be easy, but I am not sure about how their licence is allowing third party developer to offer pluggins and how.

The Zero duplicate will of course redirect all vanilla URLs but it would still be better to only output mod rewritten URLs.

Then, to see how are the phpBB SEO mod rewrite working, please spend some time on the demo forum (and the demo settings page) ;)

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Postby Darth Pincho » Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:55 pm

Wao thanks a lot for taking some time helping me. I will check all that things and will submit the progress here in a few ours.

Ok.

a) Sessions id problem solved with cyber alien mod
b) www. issue solved with mod rewrite at .htaccess you can test http://tupincho.net and automatically redirects to http://www.tupincho.net also works with http://tupincho.net/foro/


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Postby Darth Pincho » Tue Oct 03, 2006 9:57 pm

Ok mod rewrite for apache works fine at my domain, i do waht you tell me and works fine.

http://www.tupincho.net/find.html

find.html doenst exist phisically in my server, so i think i can install mod rewrite plugin for phpbb. I will do that right now.

I know that i have to wait and try to not damage my actual ranking on google with broken urls. But there is a hurry for me increase my traffic to at least 2000 visitor per day. Past month i get 433 visitors per day, and the money incomes for that are not good at all.
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Postby Darth Pincho » Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:29 pm

Ok i succsesfully instal the mod rewrites plugin. EXCELLENT JOB by the way.

Example: http://www.tupincho.net/foro/topic1092.html

Now i have some questions. How can i setup the mod. I mean include title topic in the url, and the other many things? In tha ACP there is no files realted to this mod. (ima talking about theese ones http://phpbb2.phpbb-seo.net/demo.php)
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Postby Darth Pincho » Tue Oct 03, 2006 11:52 pm

Ok, now my mx google sitemaps urls are "outdated" because im running .html instead.php extensions in my urls.

How can i setup my mx google sitemaps plugin to work with my new .html extensions??

Check http://www.tupincho.net/foro/sitemap.php

When you try to manually visit the first url contained on that sitemap index you get a 404 error.

Check this
http://www.tupincho.net/foro/forum-sitemap-17.xml

Note i activate to yes the option on the mx sitemap at ACP where says "Mod Rewrite Sitemaps
If activated, the sitemap's url will be rewrited.
CAUTION : you MUST run Apache server with mod rewrite activated and set up the .htaccess located in this release's contrib/ folder properly.
NOTE : This will only affect the sitemaps url provided in the sitemap index. There is no problem for google to visit non url rewrited sitemaps."

If i switch the option to NO. Putputed urls in the sitemaps will look like
http://www.tupincho.net/foro/viewtopic.php?t=9054
But i disallow in the robots.txt that files so robots will never index my site.

Suggestions?
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Postby Darth Pincho » Wed Oct 04, 2006 3:00 am

Ok last update for today. Ive installed mod rewrite fine. Also solved the problem for .html extension in the sitemap.php file. (i replace some file in the includes folder and all solved)

Now i have some questions?

When i can use the yes option at the admin control panel for mx google sitemap mod rewrite? Only for advanced mod rewrite SEO???

I have a current license for submit wolf 7.0. Can i use it for obtaining good backlinks to my site?

I can include some lines like

allow: /foro/sitemap.php
allow: foro/index.php

in my robots.txt file in order to spiders can reach my forum faster and dont get lost in some less interesting content at my page??

Finally I have this code in sessions.php


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function append_sid($url, $non_html_amp = false)
{
   global $SID;   
   // www.phpBB-SEO.com SEO TOOLKIT BEGIN
   global $phpEx, $seo_cat_name, $seo_forum_name;
   $amp = ($non_html_amp) ? '&' : '&';
   $find = array(   $amp.'start=0',
         $amp.'postdays=0',
         $amp.'topicdays=0',
         $amp.'postorder=asc',
      );
   $url = str_replace ($find, "", $url);
   if ( $seo_cat_name ) {
      $urlin = array( "'(?)index.".$phpEx."\?c=([0-9]+)(".$amp."){0,1}'",
            //mx Sitemaps Module (cat URL injection)
            "'(?)sitemaps([0-9]+)\.html(".$amp."){0,1}'",
         );
      $urlout = array( "".format_url($seo_cat_name)."-vc\\1.html".if_query('\\2')."",
            //mx Sitemaps Module (cat URL injection)
            "".format_url($seo_cat_name)."-sc\\1.html".if_query('\\2')."",
         );
      $url = preg_replace($urlin, $urlout, $url);
   }
   if ( $seo_forum_name ) {
      $urlin = array( "'(?)viewforum.".$phpEx."\?f=([0-9]+)".$amp."start=([0-9]+)(".$amp."){0,1}'",
            "'(?)viewforum.".$phpEx."\?f=([0-9]+)(".$amp."){0,1}'",
            //mx Sitemaps Module (forum URL injection + pagination)
            "'(?)forum-map([0-9]+)\.html".$amp."start=([0-9]+)(".$amp."){0,1}'",
            "'(?)forum-map([0-9]+)\.html(".$amp."){0,1}'",
         );
      $urlout = array( "".format_url($seo_forum_name)."-vf\\1-\\2.html".if_query('\\3')."",
            "".format_url($seo_forum_name)."-vf\\1.html".if_query('\\2')."",
            //mx Sitemaps Module (forum URL injection + pagination)
            "".format_url($seo_forum_name)."-fmp\\1-\\2.html".if_query('\\3')."",
            "".format_url($seo_forum_name)."-fmp\\1.html".if_query('\\2')."",
         );
      $url = preg_replace($urlin, $urlout, $url);
   }
   $urlin = array( "'(?)viewtopic.".$phpEx."\?t=([0-9]+)".$amp."start=([0-9]+)(".$amp."){0,1}'",
         "'(?)viewtopic.".$phpEx."\?t=([0-9]+)(".$amp."){0,1}'",   
               "'(?)viewtopic.".$phpEx."\?p=([0-9]+)(".$amp."){0,1}'",
         "'(?)profile.".$phpEx."\?mode\=viewprofile".$amp."u=([0-9]+)(".$amp."){0,1}'",
         //mx Sitemaps Module (mxBB map URL + pagination)
         //"'(?)mx-map\.html".$amp."start=([0-9]+)(".$amp."){0,1}'",
      );
   $urlout = array( "topic\\1-\\2.html".if_query('\\3')."",
         "topic\\1.html".if_query('\\2')."",
         "post\\1.html".if_query('\\2')."",   
         "member\\1.html".if_query('\\2')."",
         //mx Sitemaps Module (mxBB map URL + pagination)
         //"mx-map\\1.html".if_query('\\2')."",
      );
   $url = preg_replace($urlin, $urlout, $url);
   $url = (substr($url, strlen($url) - 1, 1) == '?') ? substr($url, 0, strlen($url) - 1) : $url;
   // www.phpBB-SEO.com SEO TOOLKIT END

   if ( !empty($SID) && !preg_match('#sid=#', $url) )
   {
      $url .= ( ( strpos($url, '?') !== false ) ?  ( ( $non_html_amp ) ? '&' : '&' ) : '?' ) . $SID;
   }

   return $url;
}


if i delete the coments in the remaining lines i get errors. WHY?

Well we see you tomorrow.
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Postby dcz » Wed Oct 04, 2006 8:07 am

Well, nice work ;)

Darth Pincho wrote:Now i have some questions. How can i setup the mod. I mean include title topic in the url, and the other many things? In tha ACP there is no files realted to this mod. ( ima talking about theese ones http://phpbb2.phpbb-seo.net/demo.php )


Well, the demo forum is demonstrating the three different kinds of phpBB SEO mod rewrites. Obviously, you should only use one URL standard on your site.

You have chosen the mixed one which is perfectly installed on your board.
Mx Google sitemaps is working great too, with the correct mixed URLs. You should just implement the additional rewriterules provided in the contrib's .htaccess of the release and activate mod rewrite for Google sitemaps (by the time it will fully work, you should unregister you sitemap at your Google Account, better nothing than something wrong).

For mx sitemaps, everything is ok in your sessions.php, I think you just tried to uncomment real comments ;)
So you need to add the rewriterules provided here and to activate mod rewrite for the mod as well in ACP. Install as well the auto link add on from this link, it will create links to your sitemaps.

Once you're ok with this, I'll pm you ;)

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