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Postby dcz » Tue Dec 19, 2006 11:19 pm

Sorry I it was not clear, mod release will soon be reorganized ;)

And no need for more, you'll avoid all dupes with the full robots.txt suggested.

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Postby arch_stanton » Sun Dec 24, 2006 3:33 pm

dcz, my PR seems to have disappeared. It was PR 3, now PR0. I've seen it go to 0 before but usually only temporarily. It has been like this for a few days now. :(

But I do still have incoming links, including dmoz, and if anything the links have increased. Could it be anything to do with my sitemap being on /forum/ rather than on the homepage?

The reason I did this is that I couldn't get the mod to work properly when it was set for the homepage rather than /forum/, I got a database error.
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Postby dcz » Tue Dec 26, 2006 11:15 am

Well it looks like -http://www.gladtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php still has a PR3, it's http://www.gladtalk.co.uk/forum/ not to be ranked yet.

Then, I am not sure about the sitemap thing. Could you elaborate ?

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Postby arch_stanton » Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:49 am

Well, the good news is that the mod-rewrite changes are starting to filter through, i.e. some pages with friendly URLs are starting to show up on the index.

The very, very bad news is that some of my most popular pages are no longer indexed or cached and some rival sites have suddenly appeared well above mine on searches where mine was top or near top. :(

I'm hoping this is temporary! The sitemap didn't start working properly until 9 December, I believe. Will the fact I had "forum/post" missing from my robots.txt for a while affect rankings for a time as well because of dupe posts?
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Postby dcz » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:59 am

The redirection should help out to get the same position while migrating in SERPS, but this is the kind of thing that require a instant switch, if you mess up for some days, it will slower down the process a bit, but everything should go back top normal.

On this site again, the redirection of both forums URLs was performed without a single loss of visitors, so.

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Postby arch_stanton » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:01 pm

dcz wrote:The redirection should help out to get the same position while migrating in SERPS, but this is the kind of thing that require a instant switch, if you mess up for some days, it will slower down the process a bit, but everything should go back top normal.

On this site again, the redirection of both forums URLs was performed without a single loss of visitors, so.

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Unfortunately, I goofed on these things as you know. :oops:

At the moment, I have the 301 redirection script that you gave me and robots.txt set up exactly as suggested above. Is there anything more I need to do to get rid of the existing viewtopic.php?t=xx and viewtopic.php?p=xx URLs or do I just sit back and wait? If I just have to wait, how long is it likely to take?
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Postby dcz » Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:00 pm

Just wait.

If the newly forbidden by robots.txt files where still in cache, the chances are great it won't be too bad, if they where already out of cache, then, the search engine will still figure out these page are now located under a new url, so it won't be as starting from scratch, but it can take a bit more time.

Usually, the Google sitemaps module needs a month with PR 3 on index to have Google index all the forum.

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Postby arch_stanton » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:11 am

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arch stanton wrote:I'm not sure if it was a 301 but yes, the old domain had some form of redirect and the old URLs are still indexed.


This you should make sure about. Use http://web-sniffer.net/ to check the header returned. Can you change the dns for the old domain, is it linked to some hosting ?

dcz, I've just done a check on web-sniffer and the old gladetalk.org.uk URLs are still showing up as 302s. The 301 script is working fine on the gladtalk.co.uk ones though.

Are these 302s harming my present PR? If so, what should I do to stop them?
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Postby dcz » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:22 am

Well I get 301 with and without gunzip handling, the only possible messy cause here : redir without Gunzip and with it

The same with http/1.0 so I guess everything is fine, what is the url you tested ?

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Postby arch_stanton » Sat Jan 06, 2007 11:54 am

dcz wrote:Well I get 301 with and without gunzip handling,

The same with http/1.0 so I guess everything is fine, what is the url you tested ?

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All gladtalk.co.uk URLs give 301
but gladetalk.org.uk are giving 302
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Postby dcz » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:01 pm

Ho I see now, how do you redirect gladetalk.org.uk to gladetalk.co.uk ?

It's the only messy redirection. We need to fix that.

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Postby arch_stanton » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:22 pm

dcz wrote:Ho I see now, how do you redirect gladetalk.org.uk to gladetalk.co.uk ?

It's the only messy redirection. We need to fix that.

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I'm using web forwarding at the domain register. What can I do so that it is redirected as 301 rather than 302?

Also, some strange things are happening with some previously high ranking results disappearing from the index completely.

And more of the friendly URLs have appeared on the index but many still are not there. I thought all the URLs on the sitemap would appear at the same time, or am I mistaken?
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Postby dcz » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:28 pm

The 302 is definitely causing troubles.

To solve this, you should either set gladetalk.org.uk's DNS to match gladtalk.co.uk direcrtly, and implement (if not already done) the www prefix redirection (version n°2), or set up the redirection from gladetalk.org.uk's web space (ftp), if so tell me, I'll tell you how to do it ;).

It's very important, 302 are really bad SEO wise in such cases, as the original URL will be the one taken into account by SEs.
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Postby arch_stanton » Sat Jan 06, 2007 1:09 pm

dcz wrote:The 302 is definitely causing troubles.

To solve this, you should either set gladetalk.org.uk's DNS to match gladtalk.co.uk direcrtly, and implement (if not already done) the www prefix redirection (version n°2), or set up the redirection from gladetalk.org.uk's web space (ftp), if so tell me, I'll tell you how to do it ;).

It's very important, 302 are really bad SEO wise in such cases, as the original URL will be the one taken into account by SEs.


gladetalk.org.uk no longer has any web space at all, there is just the redirect at the domain register.

How about if I just change the web forwarding so that all the old .org.uk URLs redirect to a single file that tells people the site has moved like this?
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Postby dcz » Sat Jan 06, 2007 6:29 pm

well, at this stage, forwarding all to a single page could be better, but it's still not a good solution.

Can't you set the gladetalk.co.uk VHOST to accept as well gladetalk.org.uk, then set gladetalk.org.uk's dns to make it work where gladetalk.co.uk is installed (basically a full install of both domain on the same web space) ?

Because the ww prefix redirection is genuine 301, will thus http 301 redirect gladetalk.org.uk/.*. to gladetalk.co.uk/*.* and it's required anyway to make sure about the www prefix, so ...

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