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How would you go about doing this?

Postby Mikael » Thu Oct 11, 2012 1:00 pm

Since I am afraid to break any rules I will not ask people for recommendations or anything of the sort.

What I am interested in is to know how YOU would go about finding a skilled phpbb programmer to hire (freelance)?

I understand that I can see people’s signatures and I can do Google searches for programmers, but it will not tell me who is skilled and who is not. I have just worked with someone that didn’t live up to his end of the deal and we’re now in a dispute about it.

Any advice on where to find talent is appreciated.

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Re: How would you go about doing this?

Postby HB » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:42 pm

A number of the support team on phpBB mention in their signatures that they do freelance work. At least you won't be wondering since they typically have a long list of mods and history with the site. And before anyone asks... yes, I'm qualified, but no, I'm not interested. :D
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Re: How would you go about doing this?

Postby Mikael » Thu Oct 11, 2012 9:46 pm

Thanks Dan. But wouldn't this still be flying blind? I don't see the problem as finding programmers... the problem is finding the good ones and I imagine you can't do that based on a signature?
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Re: How would you go about doing this?

Postby HB » Fri Oct 12, 2012 2:14 pm

No, a signature tells you nothing, but if you look at someone's post history, you can quickly assess whether they know what they're talking about or not. It doesn't hurt if they've submitted mods to phpBB either, since you then have direct evidence of their programming skills (or lack thereof).
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Re: How would you go about doing this?

Postby Mikael » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:29 pm

@HB - Except for the fact that being a newbie means that I don't know whether something is right or wrong, good programming or bad programming. So basically I could find someone that write a lot of poor posts and create poor mods. Unless someone with knowledge rates or comments on these, I would still have no way to know.

But I agree that it is a little better than having nothing at all. :)
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Re: How would you go about doing this?

Postby admovementsa » Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:20 am

Relationships with programers has always been dodgy. Most programmers are not business, marketing or entrepreneurial people. Chances are they not as passionate about your vision as you are.

Unless you employ them full time, set clear goals and schedules for them to follow, I'm afraid you'll be let down every time.
Getting a lawyer involved to draft a good solid contract is the first step as an employer with any employee.

If you're using a freelancer/contactor to programme for you, the same applies, -a solid legal document so both parties are on the same page to start. A mutual non-disclosure agreement (confidentiality agreement) should be part of that contract, so that the programmer doesn't steal your idea (Think of the Facebook founders saga).

Thereafter, once the contracts are signed, sit with the programmer and work out a realistic schedule with clear goals and deadlines.
Make sure there are penalties built into the contract that hold the programmer accountable for missed deadlines.
Break the project down into what needs to be done immediately, halfway down the road, at the end of the project and thereafter.
The more you break the project down into manageable pieces, with checks at each stage, the better you'll be able to manage the project.
Payments only happen after each piece is approved, tested and is working properly, also consider if something 'breaks' after it's been built -will the programmer fix it? -make sure it's in your contract.
Basic project management principals apply throughout the project.
Document everything.

If the programmer you want to work with, isn't willing to go this route, chances are they're either not confident enough to build what your looking for, or they're the typical, fly-by-night, get-wht-they-can-and-run types.

Good luck with finding someone like that. I've realised after a good few years, that you'd be better off working with a company that offers those services, than an individual. Either way being covered legally and being super clear on what you want and how you want it is essential.

I hope this helps

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